Comments on: Veil http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/ an endless story of my personal life Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:30:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.3 By: reader http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-963 reader Sat, 07 Oct 2006 04:00:52 +0000 http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-963 Hey, you leave nothing to comment on. All of them are already well-spoken! Yo Jack Straw! Check this out! Hey, you leave nothing to comment on. All of them are already well-spoken!

Yo Jack Straw! Check this out!

]]> By: amellie http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-965 amellie Sat, 07 Oct 2006 07:25:00 +0000 http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-965 <strong>reader:</strong> really?? i actually thought today's post was lacking of.... something.. which i didn't know what it was. but anyway thanks :D reader: really?? i actually thought today’s post was lacking of…. something.. which i didn’t know what it was. but anyway thanks :D

]]> By: Dessy http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-966 Dessy Sat, 07 Oct 2006 08:25:09 +0000 http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-966 Yeah, once I was wandering around the streets of Madinah or Mekkah without wearing my veil!! I forgot to do so, and I didn't realise that I was the only one who didn't have a veil on. Luckily nothing happened, and as soon as my mom found out she made me realise that it was necessary to wear a veil there, lol. Hmm I dunno how they really treat girls who wear veils there in Australia, but here in NZ everyone's just so tolerant about it (im quite surprised about that actually). They're not being shouted at, spitted at, thrown at, and so on. It's like everyone here's just minding their own business, lol, which is pretty good. Yeah, once I was wandering around the streets of Madinah or Mekkah without wearing my veil!! I forgot to do so, and I didn’t realise that I was the only one who didn’t have a veil on. Luckily nothing happened, and as soon as my mom found out she made me realise that it was necessary to wear a veil there, lol.

Hmm I dunno how they really treat girls who wear veils there in Australia, but here in NZ everyone’s just so tolerant about it (im quite surprised about that actually). They’re not being shouted at, spitted at, thrown at, and so on. It’s like everyone here’s just minding their own business, lol, which is pretty good.

]]> By: Dessy http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-967 Dessy Sat, 07 Oct 2006 08:30:16 +0000 http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-967 Oh btw i've been wondering why the Saudi government's so strict about women covering up from head to toe when belly dancers are shakin off their bodies in sparkly low-cut skirts and bikini-like tops (or are there no belly dancers in the Kingdom..?) Oh btw i’ve been wondering why the Saudi government’s so strict about women covering up from head to toe when belly dancers are shakin off their bodies in sparkly low-cut skirts and bikini-like tops (or are there no belly dancers in the Kingdom..?)

]]> By: amellie http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-968 amellie Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:41:54 +0000 http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-968 <strong>Dessy</strong>: Hmm you don't actually have to wear a veil in Saudi Arabia. I never wear it. Do you mean hijab/scarf? Hijab is compulsory, but not in Jeddah though.. there are many women go out without scarfs these days. that's good! so at least people who wear veils or hijab don't feel intimidated right..? but over here I got shouted and thrown... hmm up until now, i always think they did that because they're drunk... hopefully it's true. Coz it happened not only to me, but also my Asian friends... No, you won't find any belly dancers performing publicly in Saudi Arabia. "HARAM", that's what they said. :P But that doesn't stop them from watching these dancers on TV right?? since all Saudi households have access to TV satellite.... Dessy: Hmm you don’t actually have to wear a veil in Saudi Arabia. I never wear it. Do you mean hijab/scarf? Hijab is compulsory, but not in Jeddah though.. there are many women go out without scarfs these days.

that’s good! so at least people who wear veils or hijab don’t feel intimidated right..? but over here I got shouted and thrown… hmm up until now, i always think they did that because they’re drunk… hopefully it’s true. Coz it happened not only to me, but also my Asian friends…

No, you won’t find any belly dancers performing publicly in Saudi Arabia. “HARAM”, that’s what they said. :P But that doesn’t stop them from watching these dancers on TV right?? since all Saudi households have access to TV satellite….

]]> By: reader http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-969 reader Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:03:39 +0000 http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-969 You were lack of anger. But you know, I was just trying to back you up. Cheers! You were lack of anger.
But you know, I was just trying to back you up.
Cheers!

]]> By: reader http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-970 reader Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:07:22 +0000 http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-970 Maaf teknis. Kalau tekan "enter" terkadang jadi alinea baru dan terkadang cuma jadi baris baru? Bingung jadinya... Maaf teknis. Kalau tekan “enter” terkadang jadi alinea baru dan terkadang cuma jadi baris baru? Bingung jadinya…

]]> By: amellie http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-972 amellie Sat, 07 Oct 2006 12:27:55 +0000 http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-972 <strong>reader</strong>: masa sih? kok di kompie gw gak kenapa2 ya? reader: masa sih? kok di kompie gw gak kenapa2 ya?

]]> By: senaz http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-973 senaz Sat, 07 Oct 2006 13:47:38 +0000 http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-973 meeel..bukannya kalo di Saudi cewe2 yg pake cadar kalo mau diperiksa, akhirnya diperiksa sama polisi cewe jg yah..jd teteb aja identitas bakal ketauan.. eniwei, ini ga ada hubungannya sama posting di atas..cuma pgn ngasih tau ajah..krn dirimu suka baca, aku anjurin baca novel2 indo jg deh..aku aja sampe import novel2 itu, sangking pgn tau perkembangan sastra negara kita..hahaha..coba laskar pelangi atau sang pemimpi..atau novel klasik karya STA..kamu bakal tergila2 dgn kekayaan sastra indo.. meeel..bukannya kalo di Saudi cewe2 yg pake cadar kalo mau diperiksa, akhirnya diperiksa sama polisi cewe jg yah..jd teteb aja identitas bakal ketauan..
eniwei, ini ga ada hubungannya sama posting di atas..cuma pgn ngasih tau ajah..krn dirimu suka baca, aku anjurin baca novel2 indo jg deh..aku aja sampe import novel2 itu, sangking pgn tau perkembangan sastra negara kita..hahaha..coba laskar pelangi atau sang pemimpi..atau novel klasik karya STA..kamu bakal tergila2 dgn kekayaan sastra indo..

]]> By: amellie http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-974 amellie Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:55:47 +0000 http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-974 <strong>senaz</strong>: itu kalo di airport ato tempat2 tertentu... kalo di jalan2 gak ada yg namanya polisi cewe hehehe. masa mereka kemana2 pake abaya (jubah item itu) sambil ngatur jalan kan gak lucu :P makasih loh mbak hehe.. iya ntar aku coba, tapi ntah kapan gak tau :D. Soalnya aku lebih suka non-fiction si... lebih real, lebih bisa dibayangin. hehehe. but thanks, one day i'll read 'em! :) senaz: itu kalo di airport ato tempat2 tertentu… kalo di jalan2 gak ada yg namanya polisi cewe hehehe. masa mereka kemana2 pake abaya (jubah item itu) sambil ngatur jalan kan gak lucu :P
makasih loh mbak hehe.. iya ntar aku coba, tapi ntah kapan gak tau :D. Soalnya aku lebih suka non-fiction si… lebih real, lebih bisa dibayangin. hehehe. but thanks, one day i’ll read ‘em! :)

]]> By: bebek http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-976 bebek Sat, 07 Oct 2006 19:47:54 +0000 http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-976 pertama.. kok rss-nya ga langsung kebaca ya di feed readerku (aku pakek bloglines) terus yang masalah veil.. apa harus? pernah ga denger "omongan si ulil", itu tuh dengan pernyataannya "gimana kalo islam lahirnya di china"? bottom line "veil" hanyalah kebetulan adalah budaya tempat islam lahir. aku cuman wondering... did not mean to arguing, coz for me when it comes on "believe/agama", ada istilah "it is what it is..." pertama.. kok rss-nya ga langsung kebaca ya di feed readerku (aku pakek bloglines)
terus yang masalah veil.. apa harus? pernah ga denger “omongan si ulil”, itu tuh dengan pernyataannya “gimana kalo islam lahirnya di china”? bottom line “veil” hanyalah kebetulan adalah budaya tempat islam lahir.
aku cuman wondering… did not mean to arguing, coz for me when it comes on “believe/agama”, ada istilah “it is what it is…”

]]> By: Dessy http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-979 Dessy Sat, 07 Oct 2006 20:12:53 +0000 http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-979 Oh yup i meant hijab, hehe. I thought veil=hijab :p Oh yup i meant hijab, hehe. I thought veil=hijab :p

]]> By: Meda http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-982 Meda Sat, 07 Oct 2006 23:45:03 +0000 http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-982 setuju ama bebek ... mungkin kalo kebetulan Islam lahir di Indo, belum tentu begini *wink* setuju ama bebek … mungkin kalo kebetulan Islam lahir di Indo, belum tentu begini *wink*

]]> By: mulia http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-984 mulia Sun, 08 Oct 2006 09:27:06 +0000 http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-984 wah seru banget. emang over the years selalu cara muslim berpakaian di negara non muslim jadi issue. sebenernya kalo disiasati bisa dijadikan metode dakwah. veil for me, outside arabic country personally emang too much. dulu waktu kuliah di bogor, beberapa temen pake cadar dan itu masih dianggap ganjil, saya setuju sama Straw disini. Rasulullah aja, marah waktu sholat jamaah imam baca surah panjang2 karena ada makmum yang mau buru2. dengan alasan, Islam tidak boleh menyulitkan. Opini saya, veil dalam masalah keamanan seperti yang Straw ungkapkan memang in many ways menyulitkan. However, as a woman with headscarf living in non islamic country, saya nggak pernah kesulitan dengan kerudung saya, alhamdulillah. kalau sudah mulai merepotkan pun, i'd rather negotiate and think twice, antara mengorbankan kepercayaan atau mengorbankan kepraktisan.then i will listen to my heart, karena kebenaran adalah yang menenagkan hati. saya selalu bilang ke orang orang, headscarf is a choice. dalam artian, life it self, is always a choice, manusia kan bisa kapan aja bunuh diri (kasarnya). toh saya selalu punya pilihan untuk melepas kerudung. sholat pun saya bilang it's a choice, karena toh saya selalu punya pilihan untuk tidak sholat dan mengabaikan kata hati saya. saya bilang gini untuk alasan strategi penyampaian, western people gak suka paksaan dan selalu menghormati yang dilakukan dengan pilihan. jadi saya bilang, "some people choose to interprete the quran this way, some others that way. u see how diverse the way of moslem dress from culture to culture. the interpretation it self is well influenced by the local culture. i myself, i believe this way, but i do respect the people who believe in that way. the way islam respect that u are not a moslem and choose ur own way of life" wallahualam bissawab, kebenaran hakiki tidak saya miliki, saya cuman berbisik dalam hati semoga yang saya sampaikan benar. setuju banget sama amel, the world should leave the decision among moslem themselves. dari mulai hizbut tahrir, jaringan islam liberal, salafy, tarbiyah dan kelompok2 islam lainnya aja udah bisa bikin friksi kalo diskusi, apalagi ditambah orang2 non muslim. this is a huge chalenge for islam, how to actualize islam, bukan tekstual tapi kontekstual, seperti kata kang jalal, islam aktual. sesama mulsim, let's work it out!-;) Bravo mel, i like this posting! wah seru banget. emang over the years selalu cara muslim berpakaian di negara non muslim jadi issue. sebenernya kalo disiasati bisa dijadikan metode dakwah.

veil for me, outside arabic country personally emang too much. dulu waktu kuliah di bogor, beberapa temen pake cadar dan itu masih dianggap ganjil, saya setuju sama Straw disini. Rasulullah aja, marah waktu sholat jamaah imam baca surah panjang2 karena ada makmum yang mau buru2. dengan alasan, Islam tidak boleh menyulitkan. Opini saya, veil dalam masalah keamanan seperti yang Straw ungkapkan memang in many ways menyulitkan.

However, as a woman with headscarf living in non islamic country, saya nggak pernah kesulitan dengan kerudung saya, alhamdulillah. kalau sudah mulai merepotkan pun, i’d rather negotiate and think twice, antara mengorbankan kepercayaan atau mengorbankan kepraktisan.then i will listen to my heart, karena kebenaran adalah yang menenagkan hati.

saya selalu bilang ke orang orang, headscarf is a choice. dalam artian, life it self, is always a choice, manusia kan bisa kapan aja bunuh diri (kasarnya). toh saya selalu punya pilihan untuk melepas kerudung. sholat pun saya bilang it’s a choice, karena toh saya selalu punya pilihan untuk tidak sholat dan mengabaikan kata hati saya.
saya bilang gini untuk alasan strategi penyampaian, western people gak suka paksaan dan selalu menghormati yang dilakukan dengan pilihan. jadi saya bilang,

“some people choose to interprete the quran this way, some others that way. u see how diverse the way of moslem dress from culture to culture. the interpretation it self is well influenced by the local culture. i myself, i believe this way, but i do respect the people who believe in that way. the way islam respect that u are not a moslem and choose ur own way of life”

wallahualam bissawab, kebenaran hakiki tidak saya miliki, saya cuman berbisik dalam hati semoga yang saya sampaikan benar.

setuju banget sama amel, the world should leave the decision among moslem themselves. dari mulai hizbut tahrir, jaringan islam liberal, salafy, tarbiyah dan kelompok2 islam lainnya aja udah bisa bikin friksi kalo diskusi, apalagi ditambah orang2 non muslim.

this is a huge chalenge for islam, how to actualize islam, bukan tekstual tapi kontekstual, seperti kata kang jalal, islam aktual. sesama mulsim, let’s work it out!-;)

Bravo mel, i like this posting!

]]> By: amellie http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-985 amellie Mon, 09 Oct 2006 00:27:14 +0000 http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-985 <strong>bebek</strong>: soal rssnya, gak ngerti juga yah.. pdhl dah pake ping2an itu hehehe.. google readerku juga gt kok, rada lambat. Soal cadar itu, sebagian org mengatakan cew2 musti pake cadar, sebagian mengatakan cew2 gak musti pake. Masih ada perbedaan pendapat antara ulama qta kok. <strong>bebek & Meda</strong>: bisa dibayangin gak, kalo Islam tdk dilahirkan di Arab, gmn kacaunya org2 Arab saat ini?? Skrg aja udah "kacau"... :D <strong>Mulia</strong>: iya bener!! aku selalu menjelaskan kpd temen2 kalo gak semua org muslim pake jilbab/cadar.. semua itu tergantung masing2 org (how they interpret Islam). nyatanya, gak semua org tau ttg hal itu. mereka kira, all moslem women wear hijab. anyway, thx for making a really good point :) bebek: soal rssnya, gak ngerti juga yah.. pdhl dah pake ping2an itu hehehe.. google readerku juga gt kok, rada lambat. Soal cadar itu, sebagian org mengatakan cew2 musti pake cadar, sebagian mengatakan cew2 gak musti pake. Masih ada perbedaan pendapat antara ulama qta kok.

bebek & Meda: bisa dibayangin gak, kalo Islam tdk dilahirkan di Arab, gmn kacaunya org2 Arab saat ini?? Skrg aja udah “kacau”… :D
Mulia: iya bener!! aku selalu menjelaskan kpd temen2 kalo gak semua org muslim pake jilbab/cadar.. semua itu tergantung masing2 org (how they interpret Islam). nyatanya, gak semua org tau ttg hal itu. mereka kira, all moslem women wear hijab. anyway, thx for making a really good point :)

]]> By: alay http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-989 alay Mon, 09 Oct 2006 09:47:18 +0000 http://amellie.net/2006/10/veil/#comment-989 buat yang masalah bebek: kayaknya di setting cms blog lo deh, yang bagian rssnya (gw juga g gitu ngerti sih hehe..) tapi seinget gw buat rss emang ada settingnya, bisa title doang, trus part text, ama full text. tapi gw g tau tempatnya di sebelah mana. buat yang masalah bebek: kayaknya di setting cms blog lo deh, yang bagian rssnya (gw juga g gitu ngerti sih hehe..) tapi seinget gw buat rss emang ada settingnya, bisa title doang, trus part text, ama full text. tapi gw g tau tempatnya di sebelah mana.

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