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		<title>By: memory</title>
		<link>http://amellie.net/2005/12/women-driving-in-saudi-arabia/comment-page-1/#comment-15014</link>
		<dc:creator>memory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>do you know what the western women said about saudi woman??????

they said: &quot;she is a real queen!!
because she doesn&#039;t drive car, exactly as queens!&quot;

you must be proud saudi woman!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do you know what the western women said about saudi woman??????</p>
<p>they said: &#8220;she is a real queen!!<br />
because she doesn&#8217;t drive car, exactly as queens!&#8221;</p>
<p>you must be proud saudi woman!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: mulia nurhasan</title>
		<link>http://amellie.net/2005/12/women-driving-in-saudi-arabia/comment-page-1/#comment-396</link>
		<dc:creator>mulia nurhasan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya amel, maybe one time i&#039;ll move to blogspot from friendster blog-when i have time so you could also put comment.

You have the right to disagree since you you live there. I would doubt if i have the capasity to agree or disagree since i&#039;ve never been there-moreoever because i do not read newspaper or watch tv.

Again, maybe one time i&#039;ll visit Saudi and make judgement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya amel, maybe one time i&#8217;ll move to blogspot from friendster blog-when i have time so you could also put comment.</p>
<p>You have the right to disagree since you you live there. I would doubt if i have the capasity to agree or disagree since i&#8217;ve never been there-moreoever because i do not read newspaper or watch tv.</p>
<p>Again, maybe one time i&#8217;ll visit Saudi and make judgement.</p>
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		<title>By: aMaLia</title>
		<link>http://amellie.net/2005/12/women-driving-in-saudi-arabia/comment-page-1/#comment-395</link>
		<dc:creator>aMaLia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;macchiato&lt;/B&gt;: yap, org2 saudi yg tradisional dan punya agama yg sangat2 kuat (dan kebanyakan ekstrimis) masih berpikiran seperti itu. bahkan ada temen2 ku yg gak ngelanjutin kuliah krn bokapnya gak ngizinin..padahal dia org yg kaya :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>macchiato</b>: yap, org2 saudi yg tradisional dan punya agama yg sangat2 kuat (dan kebanyakan ekstrimis) masih berpikiran seperti itu. bahkan ada temen2 ku yg gak ngelanjutin kuliah krn bokapnya gak ngizinin..padahal dia org yg kaya <img src='http://amellie.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: macchiato</title>
		<link>http://amellie.net/2005/12/women-driving-in-saudi-arabia/comment-page-1/#comment-394</link>
		<dc:creator>macchiato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;

Ada banyakkah keluarga Saudi tidak mengijinkan anak wanitanya menempuh pendidikan universitas ???

woaaah ... era jurrasic banget atuh! 

mereka tidak berencaka akan ke bulan kah sementara jualan minyak masih laris ???

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<p>Ada banyakkah keluarga Saudi tidak mengijinkan anak wanitanya menempuh pendidikan universitas ???</p>
<p>woaaah &#8230; era jurrasic banget atuh! </p>
<p>mereka tidak berencaka akan ke bulan kah sementara jualan minyak masih laris ???</p>
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		<title>By: amellie</title>
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		<dc:creator>amellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;ahmad qisa&#039;i&lt;/B&gt;: Saudi&#039;s cuture has changed dramatically in most metropolitan areas like Riyadh and Jeddah. Then men have started to respect women, although yes, it&#039;s a bit slow. But in other cities like Mecca, women&#039;s issues are still a big problem. thanks for your comment! :)

&lt;B&gt;catuy&lt;/B&gt;: Regulasi itu emang udah ada sejak dulu kok :) emang untuk menghindarkan fitnah dan perbuatan2 buruk yg lain heuheuehe. Kalo ttg pergaulan bebas, saya sendiri menilai dgn dibebasin wanita untuk nyetir, maka pergaulan org2 Saudi semakin mengikuti western... skrg aja udah rada &quot;gawat&quot; gimana nanti...
mungkin org2 di indo ngeliat org Saudi itu alim2 atau apa. But actually they ARE NOT! &quot;Didalam&quot;nya kadang parah2 banget loh! Tapi itu dia, mereka org yg punya gengsi super tinggi, jadinya hal2 aib seperti itu tidak akan terungkap... sedikit yg terungkap. so menurut saya, isu ttg women driving itu akan memicu ke hal2 yg tidak diinginkan, KALAU pemerintah ga membuat regulasi2 ketat...
Masih banyak org2 saudi yg old-fashioned; mereka ga menyetujui dgn diperbolehkannya wanita nyetir. makanya masih dlm proses perdebatan di pemerintahan.

&lt;B&gt;macchiato&lt;/B&gt;: hmm kayanya sih wanita2 yg akan mendapatkan sim nanti harus ada persetujuan dr keluarga. so yg ga dpt persetujuan dr suami/keluarga, then mereka ga bisa dapet sim.. gitu kali yah?? I dunno...

&lt;B&gt;mulia nurhasan&lt;/B&gt;: blog mulia jg tulisannya bagus2 banget!! cuma aku ga bisa ninggalin komen yah?? soalnya commentnya hanya untuk member FS....
I guess, I&#039;m still against everything that suppresses the role of women in this life, even if it&#039;s the cultural point of views. Because some Saudi families are still traditional that they prohibit their daughters to go to the university, believe that their sons are much better in terms of future than their daughters, and force their daughters to marry with their chosen men. that&#039;s why i&#039;m against anything that relates to limiting women&#039;s role in this life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>ahmad qisa&#8217;i</b>: Saudi&#8217;s cuture has changed dramatically in most metropolitan areas like Riyadh and Jeddah. Then men have started to respect women, although yes, it&#8217;s a bit slow. But in other cities like Mecca, women&#8217;s issues are still a big problem. thanks for your comment! <img src='http://amellie.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><b>catuy</b>: Regulasi itu emang udah ada sejak dulu kok <img src='http://amellie.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  emang untuk menghindarkan fitnah dan perbuatan2 buruk yg lain heuheuehe. Kalo ttg pergaulan bebas, saya sendiri menilai dgn dibebasin wanita untuk nyetir, maka pergaulan org2 Saudi semakin mengikuti western&#8230; skrg aja udah rada &#8220;gawat&#8221; gimana nanti&#8230;<br />
mungkin org2 di indo ngeliat org Saudi itu alim2 atau apa. But actually they ARE NOT! &#8220;Didalam&#8221;nya kadang parah2 banget loh! Tapi itu dia, mereka org yg punya gengsi super tinggi, jadinya hal2 aib seperti itu tidak akan terungkap&#8230; sedikit yg terungkap. so menurut saya, isu ttg women driving itu akan memicu ke hal2 yg tidak diinginkan, KALAU pemerintah ga membuat regulasi2 ketat&#8230;<br />
Masih banyak org2 saudi yg old-fashioned; mereka ga menyetujui dgn diperbolehkannya wanita nyetir. makanya masih dlm proses perdebatan di pemerintahan.</p>
<p><b>macchiato</b>: hmm kayanya sih wanita2 yg akan mendapatkan sim nanti harus ada persetujuan dr keluarga. so yg ga dpt persetujuan dr suami/keluarga, then mereka ga bisa dapet sim.. gitu kali yah?? I dunno&#8230;</p>
<p><b>mulia nurhasan</b>: blog mulia jg tulisannya bagus2 banget!! cuma aku ga bisa ninggalin komen yah?? soalnya commentnya hanya untuk member FS&#8230;.<br />
I guess, I&#8217;m still against everything that suppresses the role of women in this life, even if it&#8217;s the cultural point of views. Because some Saudi families are still traditional that they prohibit their daughters to go to the university, believe that their sons are much better in terms of future than their daughters, and force their daughters to marry with their chosen men. that&#8217;s why i&#8217;m against anything that relates to limiting women&#8217;s role in this life.</p>
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		<title>By: zino</title>
		<link>http://amellie.net/2005/12/women-driving-in-saudi-arabia/comment-page-1/#comment-392</link>
		<dc:creator>zino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jangan jadi nak selesaikan satu masaalah akan timbul pelbagai masaalah lain pulak..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jangan jadi nak selesaikan satu masaalah akan timbul pelbagai masaalah lain pulak..</p>
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		<title>By: mulia nurhasan</title>
		<link>http://amellie.net/2005/12/women-driving-in-saudi-arabia/comment-page-1/#comment-391</link>
		<dc:creator>mulia nurhasan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe..iya nih, saya juga jadi ikutan pengunjung tetap. Compliment to your blog!
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Well, I think the issue is not only about religion. It&#039;s too mean to relate the restriction with religion only. They also have rules about the veil, no women this and no women that in relation to the culture. 
From religion point of view, for (almost) any reason, I against the restriction for women to drive-has Islam mention this in any part of Quran or hadist??. But if it relates to cultural point of view, sociological studies or upon considering Arabian individual character, I will leave it to the government.
Every community has its own character-that&#039;s why we have different regulation, but for sure Islam is a blessing for the universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe..iya nih, saya juga jadi ikutan pengunjung tetap. Compliment to your blog!<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Well, I think the issue is not only about religion. It&#8217;s too mean to relate the restriction with religion only. They also have rules about the veil, no women this and no women that in relation to the culture.<br />
From religion point of view, for (almost) any reason, I against the restriction for women to drive-has Islam mention this in any part of Quran or hadist??. But if it relates to cultural point of view, sociological studies or upon considering Arabian individual character, I will leave it to the government.<br />
Every community has its own character-that&#8217;s why we have different regulation, but for sure Islam is a blessing for the universe.</p>
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		<title>By: Catuy</title>
		<link>http://amellie.net/2005/12/women-driving-in-saudi-arabia/comment-page-1/#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator>Catuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>waduh saya jadi pengunung tetap begini... 
Mungkin masalah momen kali ya.. Lets&#039; look it as a different context..eventhough i&#039;m litle bit conservative, but i&#039;m supporting the right of women to drive in saudi...
Regulasi tersebut muncul kan karena keinginan untuk menghindari fitnah kan??? jadi INtinya adalah menghindari FItnah, bukan membatasi wanita untuk mengemudi (BTW saya sering di supirin perempuan, berhubung saya gak bisa nyetir).. Jadi regulasi yang harus tetap ada adalah bagaimana fitnah dapat dhindari..Misal perempuan boleh menyupir, tapi kalo bukan sama muhrim di cabut SIMnya.... atau apa kek, di sita mobilnya... artinya wanita tetap bisa menyetir dan fitnah tetap terhindari...
Kalu untuk konteks pergaulan bebas.. INi masalah dari Kerajaan Saudi, dan tidak terkait dengan regulasi menyetir..right???
The main problem is whether the saudi kingdom see this  kind of phenomenom as a problem?? kenapa regulasi hijab tidak diperketat (tapi wanita tetap bisa nyetir)..artinya hukum islam kan bukan cuma motong tangan maling, tapi ada core yang harus terjaga..iya gak..
wah ini comment gue terpanjang...fiuh....udah ah takut bosen..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>waduh saya jadi pengunung tetap begini&#8230;<br />
Mungkin masalah momen kali ya.. Lets&#8217; look it as a different context..eventhough i&#8217;m litle bit conservative, but i&#8217;m supporting the right of women to drive in saudi&#8230;<br />
Regulasi tersebut muncul kan karena keinginan untuk menghindari fitnah kan??? jadi INtinya adalah menghindari FItnah, bukan membatasi wanita untuk mengemudi (BTW saya sering di supirin perempuan, berhubung saya gak bisa nyetir).. Jadi regulasi yang harus tetap ada adalah bagaimana fitnah dapat dhindari..Misal perempuan boleh menyupir, tapi kalo bukan sama muhrim di cabut SIMnya&#8230;. atau apa kek, di sita mobilnya&#8230; artinya wanita tetap bisa menyetir dan fitnah tetap terhindari&#8230;<br />
Kalu untuk konteks pergaulan bebas.. INi masalah dari Kerajaan Saudi, dan tidak terkait dengan regulasi menyetir..right???<br />
The main problem is whether the saudi kingdom see this  kind of phenomenom as a problem?? kenapa regulasi hijab tidak diperketat (tapi wanita tetap bisa nyetir)..artinya hukum islam kan bukan cuma motong tangan maling, tapi ada core yang harus terjaga..iya gak..<br />
wah ini comment gue terpanjang&#8230;fiuh&#8230;.udah ah takut bosen..</p>
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		<title>By: macchiato</title>
		<link>http://amellie.net/2005/12/women-driving-in-saudi-arabia/comment-page-1/#comment-390</link>
		<dc:creator>macchiato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;

kalo bill-nya pass, bagaimanakah mereka (the State) akan mengontrol/ mem-verifikasi siapa yang telah mendapat family consent, secarik kertas dengan stempel? akan ada road block kah?

&lt;/B&gt;</description>
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<p>kalo bill-nya pass, bagaimanakah mereka (the State) akan mengontrol/ mem-verifikasi siapa yang telah mendapat family consent, secarik kertas dengan stempel? akan ada road block kah?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmad Qisa'i</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmad Qisa'i</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allowing women to drive by themselves in a hot-blooded society like Saudi is like giving aligators soft preys. Unless the mentality of the men is changed, women will never feel safe to drive alone. If they (the men) really understand the teachings of Islam, they will definitely understand the role women should play in the society and should start to have more respect towards their other halves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allowing women to drive by themselves in a hot-blooded society like Saudi is like giving aligators soft preys. Unless the mentality of the men is changed, women will never feel safe to drive alone. If they (the men) really understand the teachings of Islam, they will definitely understand the role women should play in the society and should start to have more respect towards their other halves.</p>
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